Does God Approve of Same Sex Marriage


I continue this discussion not because I’m fixated on it, but because it’s gripping the literal continuity of Christian faith. Several days ago I wrote Is Homosexuality a Sin – The Debate in the United Methodist Church, answering that question. I don’t expect everyone to agree with my answer to that question any more than I expect everyone to agree with my love of sausage McMuffins from McDonalds.

But, my new question revolves around God and his view on same sex marriage. The answer later. First let’s see what Genesis 2:18 says: “God created humans with an innate need and desire for the close bond that marriage provides.” Then again in Genesis 2:23, 24 we read “Husband and wife become “one” in the marriage bond.” What we don’t find in Genesis or anywhere else in the Bible is man and man becoming one flesh. What we do find is Leviticus 20:13 which says “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.”

Progressives in Christianity argue that there are verses in the Bible such as Leviticus that don’t apply today. This is an odd argument because the same could then be said about all scripture. As I mentioned in my earlier post, there is a movement among progressives to turn the Bible into an “a la carte,” manual in which you simply pick and choose the scriptures you like and then set aside those you don’t.

Traditionalist will tell you that all scripture applies today as it did yesterday. 2 Timothy 3:16 says “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.” To believe that the Bible is anything other than the divine inspiration of God simply isn’t in agreement with our faith. 2 Peter 1:20 tells us “Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.” So for all believers the answer to the question on same sex marriage is clear, God does not support it.

I was once a member of congregation that introduced us to Adam Hamilton Bible Studies. When they were introduced none of us had a clue who Hamilton was. His videos and Bible Studies were fun, entertaining and educational. What we also didn’t know was we were slowly being introduced to progressivism in the United Methodist Church through his studies. As we learned more about Hamilton it became clear what was happening. Hamilton is a leader in the United Methodist denomination and proponent of gay clergy and same sex marriage. He dismisses the scripture as being the literal Word of God, and furthers his beliefs that some scripture simply doesn’t apply today. Hamilton is the father of “a la carte” scripture.

Interestingly enough, at the same time we were being introduced to Hamilton, we were also introduced to Max Lucado. I’ve done some recent research on Lucado and his position on gay marriage hasn’t changed since he wrote about it in 2004.

Let the church be a house of compassion. But let her also be a house of conviction. The Holy Scripture was the first code to call man and women to rein in their sexual desires and express them under the covenant of male-female marriage. Homosexual union then is not a step forward, but a step backward. A step back into the society from which God delivered us. Max Lucado, 14 July 2004, Crosswalk.com

Again, at the time we were introduced to these two men we as members of the Bible study class didn’t know who they were or anything about them. However after learning more about them it seemed odd that both were being introduced at the same time. I later learned that the very liberal and progressive class leader that introduced Lucado actually had not idea his beliefs on homosexuality were 180 degrees out from her own.

So in summation the answer to the question “does God approve of same sex marriage,” is no. God does not approve. But as Lucado mentioned in his 2004 article, the Bible doesn’t place this sin above any other sin.

We are all sinners, and we saved by the Grace of God. As Christians we love our LGBTQIA-GNC+ brothers and sisters. Progressives have used a tactic from Community Organizer’s play books in which they pit one group against another. In this case, progressives have pitted their progressive followers against traditionalist by tell them we hate gays.

That simply ins’t true.



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  1. Brother Tom, if God objected to same-sex marriage, he would not be creating gay people. Most of the people who claim that God condemns homosexuality are just using God as an excuse to justify their prejudices.

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  2. Brother Thom, here is a hypothetical scenario for you: Each and every holy book associated with each religion never touches the subject of homosexuality, however, people say that their religion says it is sinful. Are people just hiding behind what their religion says to justify their prejudices from that standpoint?

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    • Actually the Bible is very clear on this subject. I don’t think those of us who stand behind the Bible are hiding behind anything. It would be easy to say those that believe in the scripture do so to justify their prejudices. There certainly are people who are prejudiced against gays, but lets look at the definition of the word prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. Understanding the meaning of the word helps us examine your question. Believing in the scripture is based on faith in the most read book in history and our Lord God. An understanding of the scripture coupled with actual experience allows Christians to trust in His word.

      All that being said let’s return to the sin aspect of same sex relations. No where in the Bible is it stated that this sin is above any other sin. Almost every gay I have this conversation with cannot accept that same sex relations is a sin. Why not? We’re all sinners. While I don’t set out to sin, I’m am destined to sin as a human. We just celebrated the resurrection of a guy who died for our sins. I don’t see why anyone needs to lose sleep about this particular sin anymore than they do about walking past an elderly person who could have used their help. Sin is Sin.

      In closing let me say you are right, the word homosexual never comes up in the scriptures. But, having same sex relations does come up, and it’s very well defined. At the end of the day, there are many verses of scripture in the Bible that people have not agreed with. Just because we don’t agree with it, doesn’t mean we should cast it aside.

      Leviticus 18:22
      Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

      Leviticus 20:13
      If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

      Romans 1:27
      And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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      • Brother Tom, you are clearly reading a different version than I am.

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      • Help me out then. What version are you reading from?

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      • This is from the Common English Bible which is one of the most liberal versions ever published:

        Leviticus 18:22 Common English Bible (CEB)
        22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a man as you would with a woman; it is a detestable practice.

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      • Leviticus 18:22 International Children’s Bible (ICB)
        22 “‘You must not have physical relations with a man as you would a woman. That is a hated sin.

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      • Brother Tom, there is the New Life Version. That is one example. I could name a few more, but suffice it to say that it is my belief that those who write Scripture that condemns homosexuality do it based on what their religion says, not what God says.

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      • The New Life Version also states man is not to lie with another man. It really comes down to faith, if you don’t believe the scripture to be the word of God, I don’t know what you believe. But I ran a script earlier to see if any of the english translations leave out the wording on man lying with man. All of them say the same thing (essentially). I’d be happy share with you other versions if you would care to share them.

        Leviticus 18:22 New Life Version (NLV)
        22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman. It is a sinful thing.

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      • Brother Tom, people’s sexual orientation is determined by their genetics.

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      • Just remember that gay people need straight people to make more gay people.

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      • Brother Thom, here is a hypothetical scenario for you: Someone speaks to God personally and asks God if homosexuality is immoral. If God said that it was in his plans to have a small segment of gay people in the population, are people who claim otherwise not aware that it was part of his plans? Are they just not aware of how biology and genetics work? Are they using what their religion says, not what God says, in order to validate their prejudices?

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      • You continue to use the word prejudiced and it by definition doesn’t apply. I have gays in my family that I love every bit as much as those in my family who are straight. I have relatives that have committed serious crimes, which are sins, but I continue to love them all. I have gays in my family that I assume have had same sex relations, which the Bible tells me is a sin, but I continue to love them all.

        There is no question in my mind that people are born gay, but I have seen nothing to imply that genetics plays a role. I can’t draw a comparison between believing and having faith in the scripture and any prejudices one might have. While the two could be linked in some folks, it’s not directly correlated. Now here is where I think it all gets a bit confusing. There is no doubt in my mind that if you are gay and walking this earth, that God made you. There is also in my mind that the scripture is clear on this issue.

        My post on same sex marriage is based purely on scripture. I fully support the right of a gay person to live their life as happily as anyone else. I even support same sex unions that would protect those so joined to the same degree as marriage, — insurance, death benefits, pensions, etc. But it is equally clear to me that God created man and woman to couple and procreate the earth. That doesn’t negate a gay couple from adopting, or using surrogates, etc.

        I’ve met too many gays who have been indoctrinated to believe that Christian’s hate them, straight people hate them, and anyone who doesn’t support them hates them. This is wrong and educating young gays on this false narrative is important in carrying out our ministry here on earth.

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      • Brother Thom, I will address this from both a religious standpoint and that which is political/legal. Both will be done to draw distinctions.

        First, the religious: If one’s religion says nothing on the subject of homosexuality, however, people hold to the belief that marriage is meant to be between one man and one woman, they are entitled to their personal beliefs and should not be punished for that.

        Now, here is the political/legal component: If the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that restrictions on same-sex marriage are Unconstitutional, using the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to validate their argument, that should be grounds to end this debate. Equal protection under the law does not give the government license to discriminate against anybody. Those who own businesses have every right to decide whom they will and will not provide services to. An example: Someone owns a coffee shop and decides that he or she would only serve customers who are not gang affiliated. Why should gang affiliated people have the right to demand that the owner(s) serve them and yet people who are entitled to equal protection are denied that Constitutional/legal right in order to satisfy people who cannot keep their religious beliefs as a separate matter and not inserting that into our legal system?

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      • You lost me on the analogy you used. So let me switch gears and use the bakery analogy. In that instance what we’re talking about is religious freedom vs. constitutional rights. Both are protected by law. In the bakery case, there are hundreds of thousands of bakers who would be happy to make a same sex wedding cake, thus the same sex couple are not being denied a cake, but rather their choice of baker.

        Now as for your coffee shop analogy, there is a common law right to refuse entry and service to whom a restaurant chooses, provided the refusal is not on grounds of sex, race, disability, gender, sexual orientation and religion or belief. Biker gangs are not a protected class, so they could be denied service under existing law simply because the owner doesn’t like bikers or fears them. So the bikers have no protection under the law. Now if they were an all black gang, or a gay biker gang they might be able to establish standing.

        I think this is one of the most complex issues of our time and that there are many misperceptions on both sided.

        As far a same sex marriage goes, that’s very similar to the bakery analogy. There are actually less churches unwilling to perform same sex weddings than there are bakers refusing to bake a same sex cake. It’s as important to remember religious liberties as it is civil liberties protected under the law. They are not in competition with one another.

        But if either pushes the other too far there can be dire consequences. The United Methodist Church for instance is disintegrating over homosexuality. Progressives in the denomination want gay clergy and same sex weddings in the church. Traditionalist want things to stay the way they are prohibiting gay clergy and same sex weddings. Progressives pushed the issue to the denominations law making body the General Conference in 2019 and lost on the vote. Another conference was scheduled for this May but that has been postponed. All parties had agreed to split the church in two. A traditional denomination and a progressive denomination. The problem encountered as the conference approached was that the General Conference on Finance was running financial models on what the post Progressive denomination would look like and it didn’t look good. In fact it didn’t look like the Progressive denomination would survive financially.

        I share the UMC story because it has been my contention from the start that the UMC should have established it’s own splinter denomination that would meet the needs of the LGBTQIA+ community. It would have been a win – win. Instead it’s possible the Traditionalist will continue on and prosper, the Progressives will dwindle and shutter churches, and the LGBTQIA+ community under the UMCNext banner which is already established will go off and do their own thing. The point being that had the UMC established that splinter denomination for gays, they could have saved the larger denomination and the LGBTQIA+ would have had exactly what they are probably going to end up with anyway and do so under the financial umbrella of the 3rd largest denomination in the country.

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      • Brother Tom, all points are stipulated and acknowledged. Here are 3 questions for you: 1: If polygamous marriage was the only legitimate form of marriage, would a marriage that consisted of only 2 people be considered as invalid, either legally or Biblically? 2: Using King Solomon as an example of a person whose marriage is polygamous, should polygamous marriages not only be demanded but encouraged? 3: Does it not seem odd to you that our legal system defines marriage as being one way and not the way the Bible defines marriage per the Old Testament?

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      • I can’t find any requirement under any law or religious practice, old or new that required someone to practice polygamy. While polygamy was practiced by a number of religions (middle eastern, Europe and North America) and tribal communities in West Africa none apparently required a man to take multiple wives. So having a monogamous relationship wouldn’t have invalid under law or religious practiced.

        Using the King Solomon example, Jedidiah practiced polygamy but it wasn’t mandated to others so the answer to your second question is no.

        And in answer to your third question, a foundational belief of Christian Egalitarians is that the husband and wife are created equally and are ordained of God to “become one”, a biblical principle first ordained by God in Genesis 2:24, reaffirmed by Jesus in Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-8, and by the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 5:30-32.

        It’s also important to note that the US Supreme Court ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015 didn’t redefine marriage as something other than a man and a woman, but simply removed the barrier to legal same sex marriage. “The right to marry is a fundamental right inherent in the liberty of the person, and under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment couples of the same-sex may not be deprived of that right and that liberty.”

        I hope that answered all of your questions.

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      • Brother Tom, I know that this is a controversial issue in the eyes of a lot of people. However, I promise to be civil regarding the discussion of this topic.

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      • You have done a great job and asked very good questions. I don’t pretend to have all the answers, in fact I don’t believe anyone on earth has the answer single best answer to this complex topic. I absolutely see this issue from both sides of the spectrum. My niece and her wife (both my nieces in my eyes) have produced two beautiful children that I can’t imagine not being in our family. We are blessed to have them in our lives.

        As I mentioned earlier in our conversation, we are all sinners even though we try our best not to be. In fact I have already sinned today. Sometimes people say some really crazy stuff on facebook, and despite my best effort I sometimes call them out on it. I did that this morning. The only thing we as humans can do is to ask for Gods forgiveness, and understanding of things even we can’t understand ourselves.

        My last point on sin is that as Christians we have to be wiling to accept we have sinned yesterday, today and likely again tomorrow without trying to change, rewrite or set aside the scripture because of it. The scripture has changed for thousands of years and I suggest we shouldn’t want it to. It is a bedrock and cornerstone of our very existence.

        Romans 14:1-4
        “As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.”

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      • Brother Thom, you make excellent points.

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  3. The unwinnable discussion. The Bible is the source of Christian doctrine, as well as the source of Jewish doctrine. It is not the source of homosexual doctrine, the homosexuals would like to treat it as such. Homosexuality is not genetic. Homosexuality is decided upon. Homosexuals make the decision to yield to their desires. There are other options. One can opt for celibacy. One can opt to study why they are uncomfortable with the opposite sex. It matters not to me the level of court opinion, the loudness of the public outcry, the changes in the law to make evil seem like good. The BIble will always be the basis of my life and as such, will always lead me to believe that homosexuality is wrong. For me, nothing more need be said.

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  4. Brother Thom, sexual orientation is determined by our genetics and biology. People who make claims that God condemns homosexuality are not speaking for God. What they are doing is using God as an excuse to justify their prejudices. Since the concept of marriage predates all religions, as well as holy books associated with each religion, whatever one’s religion says on the subject of sexuality is irrelevant.

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    • If you read my several posts on this issue, you’ll find I have never said homosexuality is a sin. The word homosexual is not contained in the Bible. What the scripture says is a sin is the act of man lying with a man as with a woman. So what appears to be at issue in the scripture is the sexual acts involved with a same-sex relationship. The other point I make in my several posts on this issue is that two men or two women having sexual relations is not a greater sin than any other sin. Heterosexual couples are not free of sin either. Some couples have anal sex and that too is a sin. Ragnarsbhut the reality is the world is full of sin. Jesus knowing this died on the cross that we might live. I counsel gays regularly that this is an aspect of their lives that they don’t need to spend too much time on. A same-sex relationship is about far more than sex, in fact it’s probably the smallest aspect for many gays. It’s the relationship that matters, caring for one another, and sharing your lives together. I hope that clears this up for you.

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  5. Brother Thom, if some people say that they believes that marriage is to be the union of one man and one woman, more power to them. If 2 consenting adults want to call themselves married without any societal blessing, that is their prerogative. Just to be clear, on question #2, I am not advocating or defending polygamy. I only posed the question as a reference to King Solomon having a polygamous marriage, which ultimately led to the thought that a Biblical marriage should technically be polygamous. One of the problems with the God approving of same-sex marriage talking point is that none of the people who want to make laws about marriage seem to have spoken to God directly, just trying to speak for God. There is also the issue of human genetics and biology. Human sexual orientation cannot be changed on a whim.

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    • Good to hear from you again. I have a video on this topic coming soon. I think the Bible is very clear on marriage being between a man and a woman. The Bible is also clear on our purpose to procreate and multiply upon the earth. Genetics as you mentioned also play in this as it’s impossible for two persons of the same sex to procreate and multiply without medical assistance. It’s really all wrapped up in one plan as delineated in the Bible.

      Now we don’t have to speak to God directly (though I try to), to know His intent. The Bible is clear on all of this. We know that homosexuality was alive in well over 3,000 years ago. We know this because of the scriptures that condemned the act of man lying with a man as with a woman. As you’re aware the US has legalized same-sex marriage in every state, and territory. The question is what does God say about it. The Bible is again clear on this issue.

      On to genetics. So far I don’t think any geneticist has been able to find the gay gene. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, just that it hasn’t been found. NIH researcher Dean Hamer, PhD in 2005 or so was said to have found the gay gene, however, no other researcher has been able to replicate his findings which pretty much means he missed his mark.

      Stay tuned and hopefully follow the website, for the upcoming video on this topic.

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